[list-cumbria] Joseph Thwaites of Unerigg (dead by 1627)

[ROBERT SALKELD]

Ian
 
Thank you for your response to my email. It seems that there are not many folk interested in the Thwaites family.
However, I regret to inform you that I am already aware of the facts contained in your email regarding the Salkeld family and of their connections with the Williamsons as set out therein, and that I doubt that I can add anything much to what you already know.
Pardshaw (and Mossergh) did pass by marriage to the Salkelds of Rosgill, and from them to the Corby Salkelds by way of the marriage (ca 1470) between Thomas Salkeld of Rosgill and Katherine Salkeld, daughter and co-heiress of Sir Richard Salkeld of Corby (d 1500-1).
The short tree showing the connection to the connection of the Salkelds to the Williamsons I believe to be correct, but I am in the long process of working out exactly how the John Salkeld here - and several other similar fragmentary trees that I have delved from various sources - fit into either the Corby or Rosgill branches of the family. The John Salkeld married to Miss Curwen is referred to in the will of her brother, a priest.
The question of the arms is more complicated.
The Corby family used Vert, fretty argent; the Rosgill family and my own branch, the Northumberland Salkelds used variations on Argent, fretty and a chief gules.
I am aware of the arms given here for the Salkeld family, but I have never come across Per pale Argent and Vert, three bull’s faces cabossed Gules used by any other branch of the my family anywhere else, ever. 
Consequently, for the present I am regarding it as a mistake either by the Herald or - and this is something I have come across before -  as a note added erroneously to the original Pedigree Roll later, by somebody else.
My interest in Joseph Thwaites is part of my intent to assemble the full tale of the Salkeld's disposal of the Rosgill estate in the 17th Century.
Rosgill did pass to the Cumbrian branch of the Manx Christians (who also owned Unerigg, later Evanrigg, an estate formerly owned by Joseph Thwaites) but not in the direct way described (as I seem to recall) by Nicholson & Burns.
Regards
 
Robert E. Salkeld
 
 

> On 19/02/2025 23:33 GMT ianwilliamson161--- via list-cumbria <list-cumbria at list.cumbriafhs.com> wrote:
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> Hi Robert, I assume you’ve got the information on the Salkelds in Cumberland Families and Heraldry? It mentions George Salkeld of Rosgill and Thrimby (d 1597) who I guess may be the father you’re looking at. But no daughters of his, only his son Thomas (1567-1639). Sorry if that’s nothing new.
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> The name Salkeld rings a bell from Williamson genealogy – their Visitation Pedigrees suggest that there was a John Salkeld of ‘Pradsey’ (Pardshaw, I think) and/or ‘Corkby’ (Corby?) who also owned the manor of ‘Mosargh’ (Mosser, next to Pardshaw?), married Katherine, daughter of Sir Christopher Curwen, had children Thomas and Alice, and died by 1543. If you’ve researched Salkelds in the 1500s, do you have any idea where he would connect?
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> Thomas seems to have died childless, probably by 1548, and Alice married (probably mid 1530s) John Williamson of New Hall, Keswick/Crosthwaite. They had several children but she seems to have died by 1550ish – he remarried, had three children with his second wife, and died 1558.
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> The Williamson pedigree in the Oxford visitation looks to give arms that Alice Salkeld was heiress to as: Per pale Argent and Vert, three bull’s faces cabossed Gules - not Vert fretty Argent or similar as Cumberland Families and Heraldry gives for Salkeld. Do you know any Salkelds who used the bull’s faces?
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> Many thanks if you can shed any light, and best wishes,
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> From: list-cumbria <list-cumbria-bounces at list.cumbriafhs.com> On Behalf Of ROBERT SALKELD via list-cumbria
> Sent: 12 February 2025 18:53
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> Cc: ROBERT SALKELD <re.salkeld at virgin.net>
> Subject: [list-cumbria] Joseph Thwaites of Unerigg (dead by 1627)
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> According to two different historical sources (Edmund SANDFORD & one other), the above-mentioned was married to a daughter of George SALKELD of Corby & Rosgill - hence my interest.
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> However, of the three of George Salkeld's daughters known to me, Dorothy married William THOMPSON, Jane married Richard NOBLE (these two on the same day in 1591 at Shap) and Mary married Hugh DACRE.
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> It is possible that any one of these three could have been widowed and then to have married Joseph, although Mary is the least likely of the trio because Hugh DACRE died in 1623 and Joseph THWAITES was dead by 1627, which was the year that his son John THWAITES sold Unerigg to the BARWIS family. 
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> is there anybody with detailed knowledge of the life and family of the above-mentioned Joseph THWAITES (besides what has been written about him by Edmund SANDFORD) who could assist me in this matter?
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> Robert E. Salkeld
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