[list-cumbria] Cumberland Pacquet - 29

[ROBERT SALKELD]

Dear Mr Bowes
 
My attention was caught by your email containing the "Chester Chronicle" item of 1799 regarding your ancestress Peggy Fisher nee Lowes and her 140 progeny.
Considering that her marriage lasted not more than 25 years, I personally am at a loss to work out quite how - barring step-children, serial adoptions and the practice of polygamy - such a large number of "progeny" (which I assume would include both her children and grand-children) could be biologically possible, even if she had been almost continuously pregnant for the whole of her married life and during which she had given birth to several pairs of twins.
In short, 40 progeny I can believe: however, 140 is strikes me as being rather a lot.
I can see how she might have had 15-20 children; but how many of those could have married and themselves raised families prior to her death given that the eldest of them could not have been more than 25 in 1799.
I might add that I would have had no trouble with 140 progeny had the "Chester Chronicle" item been dated 1819 rather than 1799.
Regards
 
Robert E. Salkeld

> On 11/08/2024 20:54 BST Peter Bowes via list-cumbria <list-cumbria at list.cumbriafhs.com> wrote:
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> Hi Nev,
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> Many thanks for this - I was very happy to see the wedding of Henry Fisher and Peggy Lowes, daughter of Mary Lowes, my 6xgreat-grandmother.  According to the Chester Chronicle of 21st June 1799, when Mary died in 1799 she left a progeny of 140 people.  I'm nowhere near to finding them all but this new information will help.
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> Pete
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> From: list-cumbria <list-cumbria-bounces at list.cumbriafhs.com> on behalf of Nev Ramsden via list-cumbria <list-cumbria at list.cumbriafhs.com>
> Sent: 11 August 2024 19:05
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> Cc: Nev Ramsden <black.sail38 at zen.co.uk>
> Subject: [list-cumbria] Cumberland Pacquet - 29
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> Whitehaven  - May 4 - 1775.
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> PRO BONO PUBLICO
> William Penny, Brazier and Tin man, in the Market Place, Whitehaven, Begs leave to give notice, that he now has by him a large quantity of the New Invented Pneumatic Tubes for the preservation of Malt-Liquors and Cyder, in Barrels.
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> The Assistance, Capt. Stephen Farish, arrived here on Thursday last, in 4 weeks and 6 days, from Virginia; by her we have received several American Papers etc.
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> It is positively asserted here that Sir James Lowther, Bart. has lately declared his intension of residing principally at Whitehaven Castle, for the future.
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> Tuesday last a Scotch bullock was killed in this market, out of which was taken 19 stone and 2 pounds of tallow.
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> Governor Hope left the Isle of Mann on Thursday last, to join his regiment in Ireland destined for Boston; and on Friday Major Dawson took the usual oaths, in Castle Ruthen, on being appointed Deputy Governor of the Isle of Mann; after which there was a genteel entertainment, and at night a ball given to the ladies.
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> A few days ago was married at the parish church of Wigton, Mr. Wilson, jnr. of Burgh, in this county, to Miss Atkinson, eldest daughter of John Atkinson, Esq. lord of the Manor of Dockray near Wigton.
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> Sunday 23 ult. was married at Wigton, Mr. John Saul, of Cooper, to Miss Peggy Skelton of Blathwaite.
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> A few days ago was married at Powder-hall, nigh Edinburgh, Sir John Gordon of Earlstown, Bart, and several years a resident in this town, to Miss Anne Mylne, youngest daughter of the deceased Mr. Thomas Mylne of Powder-hall.
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> We hear from the Isle of Mann, that Lamb has been sold in the markets upwards of a month ago.
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> We hear that a Colliery will soon be opened by the Right Hon. The Earl of Egremont, in Bransty Estate; an Engineer has been examining the ground, and it is said, the first pit will be sunk nigh the sea, close to the Forge under Redness-point.
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> So violent are the associators in Virginia, that a very worthy gentleman well known in this town (but for some years past done business in America) was posted as an enemy to American Liberty, only for putting on a suit of black, when he received the news of the death of a relation in this place; and was at last compelled to substitute a piece of crape tied around his sleeve.
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> A merchant in Virginia writes to a house in this town that when he goes to demand payment of any debt due to him, the following is the only thing he receives.
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> Are you so foolish as to think we would pay you now, even if we had money? This it is hoped, is not generally the case; but it is not surprising that many of them avail themselves of the present suspension of the courts of justice.
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> When Capt. Farish left Virginia, Capt. Sampson of the Snow Elizabeth (mentioned last week) had begun to reload her cargo of salt; and that with the advice of the governor, and Capt., Montague of the Lively, a man of war, stationed at Norfolk. Capt. Montague had given him a certificate, signifying that it was not safe or prudent for him to take in any other loading; and assuming him, that as he had so far acted like an honest man, agreeable to the interest of his employers, and in conformity to the laws of his country, he should not lose his freight through the violent and illegal opposition of an infatuated multitude.
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> The Brigg, N?d & Betty, Capt. Rymer from Liverpool, with Salt and Coals, has arrived, but would not be permitted land her cargo etc etc. …….and saw no other prospect but returning [from the Americas]with the same cargo he carried out.
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> A few days ago was married at Burgh, in this county, Mr. Jonathon Bordal to Mis Nancy Robson, both of that place.
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> We have it on good authority that one Mr. Richard Lawson, a country gentleman at Drum burg, in this county, has a servant man, who last harvest cut an acre of barley in the time usually allowed for four people.
> We are informed from Cockermouth that on Thursday last, Miles Ponsonby of Hale, Esq. attained the age of twenty-one; on which occasion he gave a genteel and numerous company a very elegant entertainment at the Globe.
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> Monday last was married at Distington, Mr. Henry Fisher of this town, to Miss Peggy Lowes, youngest daughter of Mrs. Mary Lowes, formerly of Cockbridge.
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> Oatmeal is now selling in the isle of Mann at 1s. 6d, per stone, and in Whitehaven at 1s. 4d. Potatoes are a half-penny per stone dearer there than here.
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> Yesterday died in a fever house nigh the Quay, Capt. John Gwin.
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> Those who have Advertisements intended for this paper, are desired to send them to the Printing-Office, before twelve o’clock on the Wednesday Forenoon: the number sent into different Parts of the Country requiring the Paper to be put to the Press much sooner than it was formerly.
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> Nev. Ramsden
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